Editors
note: This is part of a special series of interviews focusing on the
2008 Roswell UFO Festival and the Burlington Vortex Conference, October
24 – November 2nd. RNN is joined by Jon Kelly, an experiential
researcher known for his studies of secret backwards messages encoded
in human speech along with the production of spiritual phenomena
recorded on camera. A popular guest in the media, his unique catalogues
of audio and photographic materials have been featured on over 1000
international radio and television programs.

RNN: Jon, thank you for doing this interview. I want to get right at
it, so let’s being with the question: Are there secret unconscious
messages hidden backwards in human speech?

KELLY: Yes there are and we can detect these messages with the help of
a digital audio editing workstation. Most people know about Freudian
slips that occur when the unconscious mind takes temporary control of
the speech organs. People may end up saying things they later regret
but these slips are involuntary on their part.

For example, when Stephen Grant told police he wanted to participate in
the search of a local Michigan park to find his missing wife, he tried
to say "I know the area". But instead, he mouthed the words "I know …
the dead … the area."

To the casual listener it sounded as if Grant was simply mumbling as if
he were at a loss for words. But upon closer inspection it was obvious
to me that his unconscious mind was attempting to confess to the murder
of his wife Tara Lynn Grant, whose body police found later, hidden in
the garage of the family home.

The recording of Grant’s slip is significant because the unconscious
message is given in a separate voice that is easily distinguished by
tonal and inflectional qualities from Grant’s normal speech. Now
imagine the same distinct voice involuntarily delivering the same
verifiable information but encoded in reverse.

This is what we are observing when we listen to speech recordings played backwards.

RNN: What are some of the things that happen when people listen to backwards speech recordings for the first time?

KELLY: Listening to backwards messages can provoke a number of
physiological responses, including hair-raising, goose bumps and
shivers going up and down the spine. These responses indicate the
powers of backwards messages to invoke feelings from within beyond any
powers of suggestion the presenter may have. For people learning how to
detect the messages for themselves it is not uncommon that they will
hear their own unconscious material while listening to the speech of
others.

In Yoga, the tranquil mind is like a mirror that can reflect cosmic
qualities to the observer, just like a pool of undisturbed water that
provides a clear reflection of the moon. People who want to advance in
their listening practice have to take care to maintain a harmonious
balance in their lives in order to access and share undistorted
perceptions of hidden realities with others.

RNN: You have listened backwards to the speeches of people describing
contact with space craft from other civilizations. What did you find
out?

KELLY: When President Jimmy Carter told reporters late last year that
he didn’t think flying saucers were the vehicles of space people
visiting the earth, I played his speech in reverse and heard the words
"Saucer. Went out naked. Going out. They’ll put it in him". Although it
was part of his campaign promise, this message made me wonder if the
President had more personal reasons for sending Alfred Webre to SRI in
the 1970’s in order to release the government’s secret research on
extraterrestrials. From my reading of the message it describes Carter
as a potential abductee.

RNN: You’ve used this method for forensic research. What are some of the cases you’ve studied and what did you discover?

KELLY: Bonnie Lee Bakley’s private telephone tapes of her calls to her
friends were released to the public after she was shot dead in the
front seat of actor Robert Blake’s truck. When I listened to her speech
in reverse I could hear her say "I know he’ll murder me". Although
Bakley’s message did not name her killer, she demonstrated the
unconscious premonition of her own death and the circumstances
surrounding it.

In another case, when Wichita police arrested Dennis Rader on suspicion
as the BTK Killer, Rader gave a telephone interview from the jailhouse.
When I played the audio backwards I could hear Rader say "The demons
influence that guy". The real BTK used to send letters to the police
and media back in the 1970’s claiming he was possessed by "a demon".
The parallel vocabulary in Rader’s backwards message identified him as
the killer and I reported that story on Wichita morning radio 15
minutes before Rader confessed. Rader later gave another interview
where he stated plainly that he felt he was possessed by "a demon".

Rader’s story is significant when you consider how it demonstrates the
subject’s voluntary validation of the contents of their own messages.
The positive identification of BTK using this method provides powerful
testimony to the accuracy and reliability of these studies in
discovering pathways for forensic investigation.

RNN: Is there any institutional academic or scientific research that supports your claims?

KELLY: The journal Nature reported several years ago that scientists in
the UC system had researched the human ability to detect speech when it
was incrementally time-sliced and rearranged backwards. The AP ran the
story as "The Brain Understands Backwards Speech". A recent article in
Scientific American also discusses multiple universes where time can
run in reverse. Time symmetry between dimensions of reality could allow
for circumstances under which it may be possible to compose and
transmit a message that is time-reversed to the clock of our world.
Certainly this kind of transmission is what we are detecting in my
speech studies.

Yoga also describes the mind in terms of its ability to access multiple
dimensions via the cakras. And my photography reveals the luminous
signatures of voice communications manifesting multidimensional
realities concurrently. When evaluating the overall credibility of my
research I think it’s important to reflect that my catalogue contains a
wealth of instrumental recordings, a clearly defined timeline of events
where I have reported news items before they became mainstream
realities, hundreds of thousands of witnesses to these public events
and independent third-party documentation in the form of aircheck
recordings provided by the radio stations themselves.

RNN: Why are the messages encoded backwards?

KELLY: The concept of the mirror as a place of inner discovery is
ancient and universal. We find the mirror in Shamanism, Taoism, Tantra
Yoga, the water bowl of Nostradamus and the magic mirrors of Western
European folklore. In "Alice Through the Looking Glass" Lewis Carroll
leads us on an adventure into the dream world of a child accessed by
stepping through the mirror in her bedroom. There she finds a world
where time marches backwards and we know this describes a condition of
her unconscious mind because the entire story is taking place inside of
a dream.

From these examples we can see that the mirror enjoys wide recognition
in human culture as an instrument of the unconscious mind. Backwards
messages that mirror the timeline of forwards speech distinguish
themselves with this signature of unconscious communications.

RNN: You use your own procedure based on this method to help groups and
individuals access and resolve their own unconscious issues. What are
some of the reasons people use your service and what happens in the
sessions?

KELLY: Many of the people who call for sessions are attempting to
manage transitions in their personal or professional lives and are
seeking resources that can empower them to make important changes. The
session follows a routine schedule where I interview the participant
for 10 minutes, then study the audio recording for 30 minutes. Then we
share and explore the messages in the remaining time. One thing I can
say about this procedure is that it provides an excellent short-term
intervention usually leading to catharsis in the first session.


The wellness model that I use in my approach describes the human body
with energetic meridians and flow regulators that are sensitive to
pressure from sound waves. In the session, these meridians and
regulators are accessed through the sound of the backwards messages.
When people hear their messages, they identify feelings and visual
information at these particular locations. When they engage that
information through the experiential approach used in the session, they
find the creative resources to overcome their life obstacles and
demonstrate remarkable turnarounds in their behaviour and the quality
of their daily lives.

The key information discovered in the sessions that leads to the
resolution of present-day issues is usually related to the audible
residue of attachments to unresolved traumas of the past. From my
perspective as a clinician, I see that when we believe in our ability
to be well and take action to seek out resources that can support our
healthy lifestyle, we find the strength to let go and move beyond the
bondages of our unresolved pain. We begin to feel that there is more
love than pain in our lives and we learn to love ourselves.

RNN: You’ve spent over two decades studying meditation and yoga. What
does yoga tell us about speech and the power of the human voice to
liberate our unconscious creativity?

KELLY: In Yoga, the human voice is used to express devotion through
song such as bhajan and kiirtan. The voice is also used in the
repetition of mantra, which is sound recognized for its special
abilities to liberate the microcosmic human potential known as
kundalini. The kundalini resides in the sacrum in one of the flow
regulators or cakras below the tip of the tailbone and ascends upon
awakening through a central meridian that follows the spinal column up
to and into the top of the skull.

In Yoga this ascending action is the spiritual journey and its
completion is the purpose of a multi-million year odyssey of
incarnations culminating in human birth. The completion of this journey
is accompanied by overwhelming experiences of extreme ecstasy and is
known as Samadhi in Yoga or Nirvana in Buddhism or Satori in Zen.

Listening to secret backwards messages can also produce this awakening
effect. Radio host Lan Lamphere once told me his kundalini had ascended
as the result of my recording his voice then playing back one of his
secret messages on the air during a live show. He said that after
hearing the message powerful energies began moving up his back and up
and down his arms to the point where he was losing control of his
ability to continue the broadcast.

Yoga teaches us that with dedicated practice we can learn to use our
voices to help us achieve the goal of meditation. For those who require
immediate help with their emotional wellness, a practitioner can
facilitate access to the harmony of awakened personal creativity by
detecting messages hidden backwards in the voice and playing that audio
back to the speaker in a session. As we can see from Lan’s experience
these messages can awaken the microcosmic potential, representing an
incredible increase in personal creative energy for the participant.

RNN: You’ve also used your knowledge of yoga and meditation to create
photographs of spiritual events. What kinds of images have you recorded
and what do the images mean?

KELLY: According to the methods that I follow, the universe is
populated with non-physical entities called devas in Sanskrit. There
are classes of devas who are attracted to spiritual practices and they
will travel great distances to attend when people concentrate upon a
high ideal. The presence of these entities helps to create an uplifting
mental environment for meditation and they can even manifest visibly as
luminous forms.

While visiting with friends near Yosemite I was sitting in the backyard
of a home where I had been practicing meditation for several days. I
had recently visited the ranch of James Gilliland in Washington where I
was inspired by the orb photography and appearances of visible lights
when the photos were taken. I had my digital camera with me and was
casually snapping photographs as it was getting dark when suddenly in
front of me several points of intensely bright light appeared and arcs
of energy leaped between them like lightning arcing from point to
brilliant point. This occurred while I was taking a photo, and when I
saw what the camera had recorded, there appeared to be hundreds of tiny
discs emitting colourful coronas, and within the coronas were clearly
defined faces.

To the naked eye, all that could be seen were these incredibly bright
points of light that crackled and sparkled while energies arced between
them. The camera however captured more and for me this incident began
several years of intensive practice in developing my photography to the
point where I have a substantial collection of discs, the faces of the
occupants, interdimensional wormholes and travellers, clues to the
origins of the universe, representations of classical icons from world
traditions and images with mirror-encoded faces and icons as well.

The language of the photographs actually describes voice phenomena
visually in terms such as the "word of creation" and the "cosmic sound"
that sustains the harmonic balance of reality.

RNN: You encountered a number of mysterious experiences from the time
you were a child. What are some of the things that happened and how did
these events inform your outlook as a researcher?

KELLY: I had many experiences including the observation of mysterious
lights in the sky and the presence of ghosts. One of my early
encounters occurred during summer camp as a child where I became the
close-up witness to a juvenile Sasquatch in the woods near Mt.
Elphinstone in British Columbia. The encounter occurred on a moon-lit
night when I awoke during an overnight camping expedition and walked
into the bush to relieve myself. I looked over my shoulder and saw the
face of a young hairy being crouched in the bushes observing me with a
gentle nature. I quickly finished my business and hurried back to camp
where I crawled into my sleeping bag, put the cover over my head and
began to dream. In my dream I received lucid instructions and guidance
from an albino Sasquatch, who from his warm and gentle behaviour seemed
like a "grandfather" to me.

Visual contact with the face of the Sasquatch opened my mind like an
archetypal key opening the gateway to a lucid dream. Faces appear in my
photo collection, which is populated with faces and faces that appear
in mirrors. I also saw the face of BTK when I looked into the mirror of
Dennis Rader’s speech signal. Face and language recognition are the
mind’s ancient meaning-making mechanisms and these abilities are found
in insects and birds. Because we see that these forms of life appeared
hundreds of millions of years before the first humans, we know that if
people see faces or hear messages it is because their minds are
evolutionarily engineered to do so.

My Sasquatch encounter told me that every mystery has both an outer and
inner component. The sighting provided an external dimension and the
dream it inspired revealed the inner. We know that access to special
events may be rare and only possible under certain circumstances.
However, the inner world is always available with unlimited access and
I have been exploring these dimensions of life’s mysteries ever since".

RNN: Where can people find out more about your work?

KELLY: People can visit me online at www.yourinnervoice.com or call my toll-free number 1 888 453 0751.

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