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This dialog is shared with you.

–
Richard Boylan,Ph.D.

Doc

Why all the disinformation? Does it boil down to control, money, and
power?

S.,

The Cabal operate for Profits, Power, Prestige, and
Pleasure. The Four P’s.

Their monopoly on stolen Star Visitor technology
guarantees such.

That is the UFO Cover-Up in a nutshell.

And when anyone challenges their UFO Cover-Up, they get P’ed
off. Literally.

in the
light,

Richard
Boylan, Ph.D.

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———- Forwarded message ———-
From: ted roe <lungfish001@yahoo.com>
To: Victor Martinez <VictorGM@webtv.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:21:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: UFO Community: UN Denies meetings took place…have we been suckered?!

Victor,

I do not have the ability to reply to everyone on this list but

you may forward this if it is helpful.

I became involved with this discussion on a private list and

when I replied to a question regarding my opinion about

Michael Salla’s crediblity, that response

was unscrupulously forwarded to Mr. Salla. Even though it

was a private conversation Mr. Salla forced his way into the

conversation and accused me of character assassination,

sloppy research, etc… I warned him that spreading hearsay

first without doing research to verify his claims was not the

way to build credibility and his response fell far short of his

claims of being an expert at conflict resolution.

Neither myself nor NARCAP have any opinion about aliens

or
disclosures or UN meetings regarding UFOs though we

do have some opinions about making unfounded commentary

and the effects of wild claims on the credibility of those who

are diligently engaged in careful research.

It is interesting how the story has morphed from Salla’s original

claim that a disclosure is imminent and an overt alien presence

is anticipated in 2013 or 2017 to a claim by Msr Gilles Lorant

whose claims are eerily reminiscent of Dr. Vallee’s presentation

to the UN in 1978 – a public presentation….

It is in the interest of reminding everyone how important it is

to keep beliefs in check and follow the rules that are understood

by science and journalists when it comes to making claims

that I am participating in this discussion at all.

I
contacted Dr. Vallee regarding this UN meeting and Msr

Gilles Lorant’s claims and have provided an introduction and

his responses below.

While I will engage responses to this list, I am not able to

reply to the list in its entirety as Yahoo does not have a

"reply all" capability and I use this email for work that does

not involve NARCAP.

Ted Roe

Executive Director

NARCAP

Hello,

NARCAP EAC member Dr. Jacques Vallee

has extensive experience with the UFO matter

both inside and outside of government including

the United Nations. So I contacted him regarding

Michael Salla’s claim of a "Secret UN meeting"

regarding UFOS that allegedly took place in February

of 2008. I asked Dr.
Vallee specifically if he knew

anything about Gilles Lorant and if he could shed

any light on this story.

His comments are below.

To put it simply, Msr. Gilles Lorant is not what

Michael Salla claims that he is.

So now we are left with determining the true

roots of this story. Michael Salla claims that it arose from the

Pickering brothers so the question arises regarding

where they acquired it and the veracity of their

source.

I contend, and I am sure that many experienced

researchers will agree, that such materials need

to be thoroughly verified before they are placed

in the public domain.

We have watched this story shift from claims of

impending "disclosure" and an
overt alien presence

in 2013 or 2017 to a description that seemed

eerily reminicent of Dr. Vallee’s own presentation

to the United Nations in 1978. While the story

has shifted several times, Michael Salla has

yet to retract his various claims.

Hopefully the information below will enlighten

Michael Salla and others who may be taking this story to

heart and he will make a public retraction of

this story, cite the fraudulent claims of Gilles Lorant

and take steps to protect his credibility.

This type of situation is unfortunate and underscores

the need for caution and for verification of information

before publishing it. Credibility is everything in this

field and it is very, very easy to damage one’s own

credibility beyond repair.

Ted Roe

From NARCAP EAC member Dr. Jacques Vallee:

Dear Ted:

My friends in France can find no trace of Lorant at CNRS. He

now claims he was an "auditor" at IHEDN but is now beyond

the age limit.

You’ll notice that the story speaks of "the Secret UN Meeting"

even though it appears to have been a routine mid-level

gathering (non-secret) to prepare an administrative conference.

The manipulation is becoming obvious. My advice is
to stay

away from it.

It seems to me this story is falling apart but the structure is

very interesting — along the lines of a psywar rumor process

or what is known around the Internet as a "meme war":

1. You make up a really intriguing story that seems very

legitimate by including respected names: UN, French

Ambassador, DSK etc. and precise dates.

2. You leave it full of holes so that people will come up with

questions, thus revealing who is interested and why.

3. You imply great secrecy, thus dangling new bits of

mystery.

4. You slowly retract the story (since a lot of it was made up

in the first place out of pure imagination) but
you point to

a legitimate-looking person (Lorant) who was there.

5. The legitimate-looking person (whose credentials don’t

check out) "reveals" more details but does not confirm

the earlier story, thus gaining additional credibility and

"dangling" new information.

6. Legitimate journalists reinforce the apparent story by

trying to follow this new trail.

7. You throw in new intriguing names like Ted Kennedy and

John McCain through new anonymous sources "who could be

in danger if they revealed their names…" thus seducing

more recognizable researchers into revealing their interest…

8. You use the
Internet to circulate the whole mess to an

increasing circle of people, hoping to create a mass effect.

9. At that point, any official denial of the story (or part of it)

sounds like a cover-up or skeptical reaction, enabling you to

claim that you are the victim of disinformation, etc. etc.

All very clever.

Feel free to circulate my analysis. I’d like to know

what other people think of this.

Jacques Vallee

Ted:

Oddly enough, some of the arguments of the alleged UN report

are similar (although exaggerated) to the testimony I presented

quite officially before the political committee of the UN in 1978,

along with Dr. Hynek, Claude Poher, Gordon Cooper, Stanton

Friedman and a few others in attendance. The meeting was non-secret

(it was in fact open to the public and press) and widely reprinted.

Therefore I don’t even grasp what Messrs. Salla, Lorant etc. are

claiming in terms of new information, or why there would be such

a pretense of great urgency and secrecy.

Last minute information: Gilles Lorant has been forced to resign

from the FEA in France and has confessed that he was not and had never

been associated with the IHEDN, which told him in no uncertain terms

he would be brought into Court (such false claims and misrepresentation

expose you to 100,000 euro fines, plus time in jail in France) unless

he made it clear he had no such status.

So the whole thing has collapsed.

Jacques Vallee

Victor Martinez <VictorGM@webtv.net> wrote:

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:28:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: ted roe <lungfish001@yahoo.com>
Subject: UN Denies meetings took place
To: VictorGM@webtv.net

Victor,

I recieved this email this Am and it is clear that the UN

does not acknowledge that this meeting took place.

Ted Roe

From: inquiries2 <inquiries2@un.org>

Date: Mon 10 Mar 2008 17:11:57 GMT+01:00

To:
Andre.Skondras@pandora.be

Subject: Re: Fwd: UN Meeting on UFOs???

Greetings from the UN Public Inquiries Team.

As
far as we are aware of there was no meeting concerning UFO’s at the
United Nations. Attached below are the Journals for those days which
lists all the meetings that took place:

Best regards,

Public Inquiries
Unit
Public Relations Section
Department of Public Information
United Nations
inquiries2@un.org

André Skondras <Andre.Skondras@pandora.be>

08/03/2008 07:34 AM

To
inquiries2@un.org

cc

Subject
Fwd: UN Meeting on UFOs???

Hi:

This
week I sent you the message below re a UN Meeting on UFOs which
according to some people such as Mr. Michael Salla, founder of the
Exopolitics movement, and French aviation expert Gilles Lorant
allegedly took place in New York from February 12-14. Is there any
truth to these assertions or is it most likely bunk? I do know that a
UN Meeting on UFOs was held in 1978 where Dr. Jacques Vallee gave a
presentation regarding the consequences of science failing to sincerely
engage the UFO matter.

Your sincere reaction in these matters would be much appreciated.

Kind regards.

André Skondras

Begin forwarded message:

From: André Skondras <Andre.Skondras@pandora.be>
Date: Mon 3 Mar 2008 12:49:22 GMT+01:00
To: inquiries2@un.org
Subject: UN Meeting on UFOs???

Hi:

Please
your informed reply re a UN issue of which there is much talk on the
internet at the moment. The information can be found at the following
two links. I’d appreciate it if you replied in all sincerity!

http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-65.htm
http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-67.htm

Kind regards.

André Skondras

Reply to all

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Thanks for the message. Ted/Victor…

Quote:

"As far as we are aware of there was no meeting concerning UFO’s at the United Nations."

I would point out that the first 7 words are most important and that if the meeting was SECRET,
as we have asserted from the first notice, it would not appear in the
The UN’s Department of Public Information and Public Relations Section.

"N’est pas, Dumas?"

If I may add…

I think that the only person "sucker punched" here is Ted’s English
teacher and Ted who seems to be taking it personally. By the way, Ted,
if the "sucker punch" swells up and shows a bruise, try putting some
Arnica on it. The swelling will come down immediately.
(Just kidding 🙂

But, seriously, keep it up, the pressure is mounting.
They have to crack soon.

I am pleased to report that one resourceful lady (a Canadian) took my
advice and has written to Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada on
this subject, as I requested yesterday.

Regards,

Robert M*

———- Forwarded message ———-
From: ted roe <lungfish001@yahoo.com>
To: VictorGM@webtv.net
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:28:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: UN Denies meetings took place

Victor,

I recieved this email this Am and it is clear that the UN

does not acknowledge that this meeting took place.

Ted Roe

From: inquiries2 <inquiries2@un.org>

Date: Mon 10 Mar 2008 17:11:57 GMT+01:00

To: Andre.Skondras@pandora.be

Subject: Re: Fwd: UN Meeting on UFOs???

Greetings from the UN Public Inquiries Team.

As
far as we are aware of there was no meeting concerning UFO’s at the
United Nations. Attached below are the Journals for those days which
lists all the meetings that took place:

Best regards,

Public Inquiries Unit
Public Relations Section
Department of Public Information
United Nations
inquiries2@un.org

André Skondras <Andre.Skondras@pandora.be>

08/03/2008 07:34 AM

To	inquiries2@un.org
cc
Subject	Fwd: UN Meeting on UFOs???

Hi:

This
week I sent you the message below re a UN Meeting on UFOs which
according to some people such as Mr. Michael Salla, founder of the
Exopolitics movement, and French aviation expert Gilles Lorant
allegedly took place in New York from February 12-14. Is there any
truth to these assertions or is it most likely bunk? I do know that a
UN Meeting on UFOs was held in 1978 where Dr. Jacques Vallee gave a
presentation regarding the consequences of science failing to sincerely
engage the UFO matter.

Your sincere reaction in these matters would be much appreciated.

Kind regards.

André Skondras

Begin forwarded message:

From: André Skondras <Andre.Skondras@pandora.be>
Date: Mon 3 Mar 2008 12:49:22 GMT+01:00
To: inquiries2@un.org
Subject: UN Meeting on UFOs???

Hi:

Please
your informed reply re a UN issue of which there is much talk on the
internet at the moment. The information can be found at the following
two links. I’d appreciate it if you replied in all sincerity!

http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-65.htm
http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-67.htm

Kind regards.

André Skondras

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