MSNBC: Hon. Paul Hellyer – The Situation with Tucker Carlson’ for Dec. 9, 2005
OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF MSNBC TELEVISION INTERVIEW:
CARLSON: Still to come, aliens of a different sort. Are
extraterrestrials among us now? And is the White House trying to start
a war with them? Why a former government official says, “Oh, yes.
It‘s all true.” When the situation returns.
CARLSON: Welcome back. According to my next guest, the truth is out
there. Actually up there, with our neighbor to the north, Canada.
A former Canadian government official is warning we may be on the verge
of intergalactic war, saying, quote, “The Bush administration has
finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon,
which will put them in a better position to keep track of the comings
and goings of visitors from space and to shoot at them if they so
decide,” end quote.
Paul Hellyer is a former minister of defense and deputy prime minister
of the country of Canada. He joins us now from Toronto. Mr. Hellyer,
thanks a lot for coming on.
PAUL HELLYER, FORMER DEFENSE MINISTER AND DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER,
CANADA: Not at all, it‘s a pleasure.
CARLSON: Now, you were the minister of defense of Canada. When you
autopsied that position, I believe, under Prime Minister Lester
Pearson, did you come across any classified information that suggested
UFO‘s were real?
HELLYER: No, not really. We got regular reports that showed that some
of them were, in fact, unidentified. Some of the sightings could not
be explained as natural phenomenon, but nothing more than that.
CARLSON: Well, as you know, there‘s been this debate for years over
whether or not they are real. Most people don‘t think they are real,
or most people at least are hesitant to say they believe they are real
in public. What convinced you they do, in fact, exist?
HELLYER: Well, for the last two or three years, I have been looking at
the evidence, and assessing it, much as I guess a judge would. And
trying to determine who was telling the truth and who wasn‘t. And I
finally concluded, especially after reading a book called “The Day
After Roswell,” written by Colonel Philip Corso, that unidentified
flying objects are, in fact real. As real as the airplanes flying over
your head, and that there has been a monumental cover-up for more than
half a century.
This is after, you know, looking at a lot of evidence and trying to
discern who was telling the truth and who wasn‘t. And I have concluded
unequivocally that the people, who claim that they have either seen
UFO‘s or have seen classified documents about UFO‘s or have seen
wreckage from the crash at Roswell, on or about July 4, 1947, are the
ones telling the truth. And consequently, I am basing my policy
considerations on that.
CARLSON: Where did you come across this information that the Bush
administration is building a forward base on the moon, and why would
they do that? And why would they keep it from the public?
HELLYER: Well, to answer your second question first, I don‘t know.
That is the reason I am raising the question, is to see why they are.
CARLSON: Well how do you—how do you—that‘s an awfully specific claim.
I haven‘t read it in the “New York Times.” Doesn‘t mean it‘s not true,
doesn‘t mean you‘re wrong, but I am interested to know why you think
that.
HELLYER: Well, because this was forecasted in Colonel Corso‘s book.
They were wanting to build a base on the moon, as far back as 1964.
And General Arthur Trudeau (ph) — same name as one of my bosses—was
very determined to build a forward base on the moon. And prepared all
of the specifications necessary for it, and the blueprints, and so on.
CARLSON: Well, is it—pardon me. I don‘t mean to interrupt you, but
doesn‘t this make sense? I mean, if, in fact, there are
extraterrestrials and they are buzzing our planet, why wouldn‘t we want
to take steps to defend ourselves from them should they turn hostile?
HELLYER: Well, I think the critical question is whether or not they
are hostile. You see, when they were first—when the crash first
occurred, General Nathan Twining (ph) later became the…
CARLSON: In Roswell?
HELLYER: Yes, after that crash occurred, he declared that they were
enemy aliens. Now, there‘s no evidence, that I have seen, that would
really convince me that they are, in fact, you know enemy.
And what I would like to know is whether that classification of enemy
aliens still exists or whether it doesn‘t, and if it exists, what the
evidence is on which the United States government bases its
conclusions. I think that‘s tremendously important.
CARLSON: I think that‘s an entirely fair question. Now, finally, you
laid out these views in September of this year at a speech at the
University of Toronto, and according to the news report I have of the
speech, your address, quote, “ended with a standing ovation.”
And that implies, I think, that your views are commonplace in Canada.
They are a minority view here, distinct minority view. Do you think
most Canadians believe that there is a forward base under construction
on the Moon and that aliens are buzzing the earth?
HELLYER: No, absolutely not. Most of them are skeptics. Most of them
haven‘t spent much time researching the subject, and so they‘re, I
think, the average here would be very similar to the average American.
And I am hoping that, maybe, we can persuade the Canadian Senate to
hold hearings and listen to some of the 400 witnesses that your Dr.
Steven—what‘s his name? Oh, Greer, Dr. Steven Greer, has compiled, and
hear them, and, you know, make up their minds as to whether or not
there is a real threat.
CARLSON: All right.
HELLYER: And, maybe, this would be just enough to push the American
government, the U.S. Congress or Senate, into holding its own hearings,
and then getting the United States government finally to come clean and
tell us what they are worried about.
CARLSON: OK. Canada‘s former minister of defense, Paul Hellyer. If
you are right, history will record you as a visionary. If you are
wrong, well, I‘m glad you came on anyway. Thank you.
HELLYER: It‘s a pleasure.
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