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\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\nnote: This is part of a special series of interviews focusing on the
\n2008 Roswell UFO Festival and the Burlington Vortex Conference, October
\n24 – November 2nd. RNN is joined by Jon Kelly, an experiential
\nresearcher known for his studies of secret backwards messages encoded
\nin human speech along with the production of spiritual phenomena
\nrecorded on camera. A popular guest in the media, his unique catalogues
\nof audio and photographic materials have been featured on over 1000
\ninternational radio and television programs.<\/p>\n
RNN: Jon, thank you for doing this interview. I want to get right at
\nit, so let’s being with the question: Are there secret unconscious
\nmessages hidden backwards in human speech?<\/p>\n
KELLY: Yes there are and we can detect these messages with the help of
\na digital audio editing workstation. Most people know about Freudian
\nslips that occur when the unconscious mind takes temporary control of
\nthe speech organs. People may end up saying things they later regret
\nbut these slips are involuntary on their part.<\/p>\n
For example, when Stephen Grant told police he wanted to participate in
\nthe search of a local Michigan park to find his missing wife, he tried
\nto say "I know the area". But instead, he mouthed the words "I know …
\nthe dead … the area."<\/p>\n
To the casual listener it sounded as if Grant was simply mumbling as if
\nhe were at a loss for words. But upon closer inspection it was obvious
\nto me that his unconscious mind was attempting to confess to the murder
\nof his wife Tara Lynn Grant, whose body police found later, hidden in
\nthe garage of the family home.<\/p>\n
The recording of Grant\u2019s slip is significant because the unconscious
\nmessage is given in a separate voice that is easily distinguished by
\ntonal and inflectional qualities from Grant\u2019s normal speech. Now
\nimagine the same distinct voice involuntarily delivering the same
\nverifiable information but encoded in reverse.<\/p>\n
This is what we are observing when we listen to speech recordings played backwards.<\/p>\n
RNN: What are some of the things that happen when people listen to backwards speech recordings for the first time?<\/p>\n
KELLY: Listening to backwards messages can provoke a number of
\nphysiological responses, including hair-raising, goose bumps and
\nshivers going up and down the spine. These responses indicate the
\npowers of backwards messages to invoke feelings from within beyond any
\npowers of suggestion the presenter may have. For people learning how to
\ndetect the messages for themselves it is not uncommon that they will
\nhear their own unconscious material while listening to the speech of
\nothers.<\/p>\n
In Yoga, the tranquil mind is like a mirror that can reflect cosmic
\nqualities to the observer, just like a pool of undisturbed water that
\nprovides a clear reflection of the moon. People who want to advance in
\ntheir listening practice have to take care to maintain a harmonious
\nbalance in their lives in order to access and share undistorted
\nperceptions of hidden realities with others.<\/p>\n
RNN: You have listened backwards to the speeches of people describing
\ncontact with space craft from other civilizations. What did you find
\nout?<\/p>\n
KELLY: When President Jimmy Carter told reporters late last year that
\nhe didn\u2019t think flying saucers were the vehicles of space people
\nvisiting the earth, I played his speech in reverse and heard the words
\n"Saucer. Went out naked. Going out. They\u2019ll put it in him". Although it
\nwas part of his campaign promise, this message made me wonder if the
\nPresident had more personal reasons for sending Alfred Webre to SRI in
\nthe 1970\u2019s in order to release the government\u2019s secret research on
\nextraterrestrials. From my reading of the message it describes Carter
\nas a potential abductee.<\/p>\n
RNN: You\u2019ve used this method for forensic research. What are some of the cases you\u2019ve studied and what did you discover?<\/p>\n
KELLY: Bonnie Lee Bakley\u2019s private telephone tapes of her calls to her
\nfriends were released to the public after she was shot dead in the
\nfront seat of actor Robert Blake\u2019s truck. When I listened to her speech
\nin reverse I could hear her say "I know he\u2019ll murder me". Although
\nBakley\u2019s message did not name her killer, she demonstrated the
\nunconscious premonition of her own death and the circumstances
\nsurrounding it.<\/p>\n
In another case, when Wichita police arrested Dennis Rader on suspicion
\nas the BTK Killer, Rader gave a telephone interview from the jailhouse.
\nWhen I played the audio backwards I could hear Rader say "The demons
\ninfluence that guy". The real BTK used to send letters to the police
\nand media back in the 1970\u2019s claiming he was possessed by "a demon".
\nThe parallel vocabulary in Rader\u2019s backwards message identified him as
\nthe killer and I reported that story on Wichita morning radio 15
\nminutes before Rader confessed. Rader later gave another interview
\nwhere he stated plainly that he felt he was possessed by "a demon".<\/p>\n
Rader\u2019s story is significant when you consider how it demonstrates the
\nsubject\u2019s voluntary validation of the contents of their own messages.
\nThe positive identification of BTK using this method provides powerful
\ntestimony to the accuracy and reliability of these studies in
\ndiscovering pathways for forensic investigation.<\/p>\n
RNN: Is there any institutional academic or scientific research that supports your claims?<\/p>\n
KELLY: The journal Nature reported several years ago that scientists in
\nthe UC system had researched the human ability to detect speech when it
\nwas incrementally time-sliced and rearranged backwards. The AP ran the
\nstory as "The Brain Understands Backwards Speech". A recent article in
\nScientific American also discusses multiple universes where time can
\nrun in reverse. Time symmetry between dimensions of reality could allow
\nfor circumstances under which it may be possible to compose and
\ntransmit a message that is time-reversed to the clock of our world.
\nCertainly this kind of transmission is what we are detecting in my
\nspeech studies.<\/p>\n
Yoga also describes the mind in terms of its ability to access multiple
\ndimensions via the cakras. And my photography reveals the luminous
\nsignatures of voice communications manifesting multidimensional
\nrealities concurrently. When evaluating the overall credibility of my
\nresearch I think it\u2019s important to reflect that my catalogue contains a
\nwealth of instrumental recordings, a clearly defined timeline of events
\nwhere I have reported news items before they became mainstream
\nrealities, hundreds of thousands of witnesses to these public events
\nand independent third-party documentation in the form of aircheck
\nrecordings provided by the radio stations themselves.<\/p>\n
RNN: Why are the messages encoded backwards?<\/p>\n
KELLY: The concept of the mirror as a place of inner discovery is
\nancient and universal. We find the mirror in Shamanism, Taoism, Tantra
\nYoga, the water bowl of Nostradamus and the magic mirrors of Western
\nEuropean folklore. In "Alice Through the Looking Glass" Lewis Carroll
\nleads us on an adventure into the dream world of a child accessed by
\nstepping through the mirror in her bedroom. There she finds a world
\nwhere time marches backwards and we know this describes a condition of
\nher unconscious mind because the entire story is taking place inside of
\na dream.<\/p>\n
From these examples we can see that the mirror enjoys wide recognition
\nin human culture as an instrument of the unconscious mind. Backwards
\nmessages that mirror the timeline of forwards speech distinguish
\nthemselves with this signature of unconscious communications.<\/p>\n
RNN: You use your own procedure based on this method to help groups and
\nindividuals access and resolve their own unconscious issues. What are
\nsome of the reasons people use your service and what happens in the
\nsessions?<\/p>\n
KELLY: Many of the people who call for sessions are attempting to
\nmanage transitions in their personal or professional lives and are
\nseeking resources that can empower them to make important changes. The
\nsession follows a routine schedule where I interview the participant
\nfor 10 minutes, then study the audio recording for 30 minutes. Then we
\nshare and explore the messages in the remaining time. One thing I can
\nsay about this procedure is that it provides an excellent short-term
\nintervention usually leading to catharsis in the first session.<\/p>\n